through on ukcider?
Andy Roberts[2:13:21 pm]: 6 pubs in Yorkshire
Linda Hartley[2:13:30 pm]: aha
Linda Hartley[2:13:58 pm]: on the wiki or on the list?
Linda Hartley[2:15:00 pm]: oh my it's the Sair Inn
Linda Hartley[2:15:09 pm]: er yes I knew about that one lol
Andy Roberts[2:15:16 pm]: on the list
Andy Roberts[2:15:18 pm]: why
Linda Hartley[2:17:05 pm]: nice pub - right up on the moors, cosy, real fires, wood burning stoves,
Linda Hartley[2:17:23 pm]: has it's own brew house
Linda Hartley[2:18:40 pm]: didn't know the Fox and Goose did cider, you'd like that too, just near the canal museum in Hebbden Bridge
Linda Hartley[2:20:14 pm]: it has an old flagged floor and comfy wooden chairs - can't remember what you call them, the ones with arms - captain's chairs maybe?
Linda Hartley[2:21:24 pm]: this is interesting - he's been lurking on the list, I don't think he's posted much. Yes carvers
Linda Hartley[2:22:01 pm]: now - do we wait to see if someone else puts them on the wikki ? Or shall I?
Andy Roberts[2:23:49 pm]: I'm not allowed to say anything.
Linda Hartley[2:24:04 pm]: oh - yes of course sorry
Linda Hartley[2:24:46 pm]: hmm does that mean you shouldn't have ever so gently harassed me about putting the Lancaster pubs on yesterday?
Linda Hartley[2:25:49 pm]: frankie's put some photos from legoland on flickkr
Andy Roberts[2:25:58 pm]: no, that was ok
Andy Roberts[2:26:11 pm]: previous business
Linda Hartley[2:26:17 pm]: ok
Linda Hartley[2:30:26 pm]: this has been a useful experiment already Andy
Andy Roberts[2:31:07 pm]: nota allowed to say 'experiment' :-)
Linda Hartley[2:31:30 pm]: I can say what I like
Andy Roberts[2:31:41 pm]: it seems to have woken up a productive discussion
Linda Hartley[2:31:42 pm]: I'm not the researcher
Linda Hartley[2:32:01 pm]: yes you can say that
Andy Roberts[2:32:54 pm]: but will it draw them towards the wiki I wonder.
Linda Hartley[2:33:41 pm]: interesting - you'll just have to wait and see, sit on your hands :-)
Linda Hartley[2:34:51 pm]: I stumbled on one in Edinburgh - it's a Wetherspoons
Linda Hartley[2:35:19 pm]: I'll furl it for now and it can get put on after your cycle
Linda Hartley[2:37:42 pm]: ok I have found another one as well so I'll furl that too - this one is on the Isle of Bute
Andy Roberts[2:39:11 pm]: so you have decided to deliberately wait until after the cycle then?
Linda Hartley[2:39:53 pm]: I think so, otherwise I'll screw with your data won't I?
Andy Roberts[2:40:47 pm]: it could be argued that so does not doing it
Andy Roberts[2:41:06 pm]: confusing isn;t it
Linda Hartley[2:41:14 pm]: yes
Andy Roberts[2:42:59 pm]: the purpose of AE is to bring about beneficial changes, but I've decided to try and encourage participation from others, instead of doing it myself.
Andy Roberts[2:44:58 pm]: The fact that you are a participant means what
Andy Roberts[2:45:35 pm]: you identify with the research from my point of view
Linda Hartley[2:45:40 pm]: the question I suppose is about my participation, can I be both a critical friend and a participant
Linda Hartley[2:47:30 pm]: I think the answer might be 'no I can't be both' - so I should stay off this thread in the list and not edit the wiki to add pubs just now.
Linda Hartley[2:47:44 pm]: but I'm not sure
Linda Hartley[2:48:09 pm]: should we take this into AR 2 and see if anyone has thoughts?
Andy Roberts[2:48:21 pm]: what is the role of the critical friend?
Linda Hartley[2:48:38 pm]: it's sort of like peer reveiw
Andy Roberts[2:49:02 pm]: Is it just about the reports
Linda Hartley[2:49:36 pm]: someone who knows what you are trying to do, understands your context, and you can talk to them about your research
Linda Hartley[2:49:48 pm]: so no not just about the reports
Andy Roberts[2:50:24 pm]: ah, more than just the reports then. Helpful advice about the whole project
Linda Hartley[2:50:39 pm]: yes
Linda Hartley[2:50:48 pm]: we have two for the network
Andy Roberts[2:51:12 pm]: Are they allowed to participate as well?
Linda Hartley[2:51:49 pm]: people we can invite to our meetings and who'll flag up difficulties, or suggest angles we haven't thought of. No, not participants at all
Andy Roberts[2:55:07 pm]: I'm still a bit flummoxed by the dilemma of non participation, my own as well. Perhaps I will learn something from this.
Linda Hartley[2:55:36 pm]: it's strange isn't it?
Andy Roberts[2:57:10 pm]: You get this with teaching as as well. deliberately not helping all the time so that children develop their own self confidence
Linda Hartley[2:58:25 pm]: yes, that's true, it's something I'm very keen on with the kids. Show them how to do something, then get them to do it themselves. Drives them nuts sometimes
Linda Hartley[2:58:48 pm]: I do it to show them, then undo it and say 'you try'
Andy Roberts[2:59:19 pm]: I do that too.
Linda Hartley[2:59:42 pm]: lol - do you? I'm considered very weird for doing that
Andy Roberts[2:59:44 pm]: They think it's mean
Linda Hartley[2:59:47 pm]: yep
Linda Hartley[2:59:56 pm]: specially with shoelaces
Andy Roberts[3:00:21 pm]: Yes, like how to drag a picture from the internet into a document.
Linda Hartley[3:00:30 pm]: yes that's a good one
Andy Roberts[3:00:50 pm]: They go "thanks" and then I delete it
Andy Roberts[3:01:05 pm]: "whaaa?"